Weather: Hot, sunny and bright
Number of people: 9 stoppers, 1 walkby
Number of climate change deniers/trivializers: 3
Number of hecklers: 0!
Pages of notes: 9
People who commented on the Peanuts reference: 2
Pictures taken with permission: 1
Pictures taken without permission: 1
Money raised for Environmental Justice League of RI: $2.60, plus one stick of gum
A lot of people wanted to have arguments today. I try not to have arguments at the booth, but not arguing is exhausting in its own way..
There were puffballs in the grass behind the booth and two kinds of oak gall in the little oak tree that was shading the booth, and I spotted a monarch butterfly, the second this summer.
If you are a person of faith, using “like a religion” as a disparaging comparison doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
Today I had the second ever climate anxiety counseling session facilitated by a translator! I would really like to offer this more often, and am talking with someone about helping out, but if anyone else is comfortable translating between English and another language widely spoken in RI (Spanish and Khmer, for two) let me know.
What is there to be anxious about climate change? The people who are worried, they have three meals a day, they’re driving around. It’s all marketing.
If it’s marketing, someone must think they can gain something from it. Who gains something from it?
That’s a good question. Political structures–they’re sold on belief in the system. It benefits liberals and secularists: if you don’t believe [sic], there must be something wrong with you. It affects elections, it affects what you buy and consume, what you think, just like a religion. We’re told to be afraid. When I was a kid, you had a bad storm and you ate whatever was in the house and then you went on with your life–now there’s a bad storm and you can’t get into the supermarket.
So it’s not something that troubles you.
Not at all, ’cause I don’t believe the hype.
So what are the things that worry you, that press on your mind?
Not having enough money to take care of my wife and my daughter. I’m going to leave this earth and the sun’s going to rise and set like it has for the past hundreds of thousands of years since God created it. And He is in control of everything, even though man [sic] thinks that number one, he can destroy the earth and number two, that he can save it–I think the latter is the craziest.
See, I don’t separate humans and the earth like that.
Are you saying there’s no difference between me and a snail, or me and the rocks and the mountains?
No, I’m saying all those things are part of the creation. I don’t think we’re arguing. I’m not talking about equivalency, I’m talking about all being part of something.
Part of something, yes. But everything here has been created for our purposes, and we’re supposed to be grateful.
I don’t think people pay enough attention, or if they do, they don’t care. “Well, I don’t care if the climate changes, if it’s 85 degrees on February 1st I’m gonna love it, I’ll go golfing.”
[This person and I had this conversation with the help of a translator.]
I’m gonna tell you what we should do: put less chemicals in the air. Less deforestation. Produce more organic foods, with less chemicals. Take care of our water. Not overfish–fish help oxygenate the water. We shouldn’t be damaging the ozone layer because God created the world perfect–we are the predators that have damaged the vast majority of it.
[I give him a card with a house spider on it.]
In the Dominican Republic, we have these, but they’re much bigger and they eat cockroaches. They’re called “donduna” because they make that sound at night … I’m a beekeeper, and anyone who works with bees has to work with nature, because nature is an extension.
My first reaction is always denial. My uncle from Virginia comes up to visit every summer, and he says, “Every time I come up here it’s hotter,” and my reaction is, “Oh, you’re being ridiculous.” I do think about it. I grew up in Newport and my parents still live there, and if you look at the projection maps of the flood zone, their house is literally on the other side of the street from the flood zone–oceanfront property! [Laughs] It’s beyond our control–to be really honest, the of all the ills of the world, the problem is capitalism and I don’t know what to do about that. Some measure of economic return being the bottom line–we need a major societal value shift. I don’t know how we as a society can address a lot of things without that. But economics is not a natural force like physics–that’s a system we set up. It’s just buying somebody’s story, we can change the story.
More of the pollution aspect. The air that we breathe affects us internally–it leads to illnesses, it gets into our bodies, it affects the food we eat, it’s all connected. We can be over here, over here, but eventually it all connects. … If you can encourage people to read independently, to be curious without feeling forced…[they can see how] it’s an issue that affects them. You alone start to ask questions. And there are things like local reps should be involved–education I guess is a big piece…. Start in school.
Is that your son over there? Do you guys talk about this together?
Not really, no. I read things and I file it away until he can talk about it.
I would like to not live out my retirement underwater. I don’t have any children or grandchildren, but I have friends and cousins who do, and I feel bad when I think about when they think about their future–we will pass and they will live to experience this.
Do you imagine what they’re gonna experience?
I imagine them having to build walls around New York City, to keep the water out. And Florida, I imagine Florida changing shape completely. The hunger–they say that’s gonna be the worst of it, is people starving. You can walk away from water, but droughts and floods–it’s not gonna be pretty. They’re gonna starve to death over much of the world.
[These two came up together]
Person 1: I don’t need to be afraid, because [life] exists so many years. It still exists and is still getting better and better. All the technology and all the people! It’s not my business, all the other things–I can do the best I can. I don’t know they will stop it or not, I don’t know what happened. In my point of view, it’s getting much better. I’m choosing to see it getting much better.
Person 2: In the Jewish tradition, everyone starts with the self. You cannot change the world, but you can change yourself.
Person 1: It’s not a Jewish tradition, it’s a point of view that people can have.
The way we change ourselves is partly by talking with other people, right? By observing the world and by listening to other people around us?
Person 1: The more we connect with people.
Person 2: Not to isolate ourselves. But do you need a doctor or do we need a doctor? Propagating fear of climate problems is very strange–if you have anxiety about climate change, you don’t buy leather, you don’t use plastic, but it’s really a basic thing in economics that you have scarcity: if a certain percentage of people don’t use plastic or leather, that will make it so other people can use them.
Just to be sure I understand you, you’re saying that there will always be people who want these things and use them, no matter if other people avoid them.
Person 2: Yes.
Person 1: Not to do business with the big idea, but to do with the small idea. If I see something on the ground I can pick it, because I want to contribute to a clean environment–it’s not because I’m working for somebody else.